They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. It does seem time has done worse to her. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. The GSR? Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. To Lisa Griggs When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. AGE 70s Robert W Knickerbocker Woodlawn, TN Aliases Robert W Knickerbocker Bocker Robert W Knickerbocke Phone Number What I believe doesnt matter at all. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. View their profile including current address, phone number 520-293-XXXX, background check reports, and property record on Whitepages, the most trusted online directory. So I start with that bit of history in mind. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? Up. By many accounts, her children adored her. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. This home is the most recent known address for Robert. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. That they did not test the outside of the car? She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. The Downs incident occurred on May 19, 1983, when the 27-year-old mother insisted that she and her three children had been shot by a stranger on a deserted road in Springfield, Oregon. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. We cant. She repeated it years later at school. I agree. She took care of herself not her children. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. I like your approach. Diane Downs had an affair with Roger Knickerbocker, a married man while she lived in Arizona. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. In the 21st century, it's not just urns and gravestones anymore. We make them president!!!! In an interesting development, in 1986, Christie and Danny Downs were adopted by Fred Hugi, the lead prosecutor who put their mother behind bars for the rest of her life. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. So glad you wrote and provided this information. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. Is. Robert V Knickerbocker, 65 Resides in Saint Augustine, FL Lived In Henderson NV, Ooltewah TN, Turlock CA, Tucson AZ Related To Audrey Knickerbocker, Bryce Knickerbocker, Sean Knickerbocker, Barbara Knickerbocker, Ian Knickerbocker Also known as Robert V Knickerbocke, Robert V E Knickerbock, Bob Knickerbo Includes Address (7) Phone (4) Email (4) That doesnt make it true. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. It was a dark and rural road. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. She did it. What was the justification? 132 records for Robert Knickerbocker. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. After graduation, the two went their separate ways for a bit, Steve to the Navy and Diane to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College in California. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. Some of your facts arent facts at all. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. Resides in Woodlawn, TN. UNLOCK PROFILE. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Every single one. View Robert Knickerbocker results in Florida (FL) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. Name: Robert A Knickerbocker, Phone number: (520) 293-1877, State: AZ, City: Tucson, Zip Code: 85705 and more information Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. Is it too late to respond to this? He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Leave a memory or share a photo or video below to show your support. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. All these years later, Diane Downs still maintains her innocence. Related to: Dana Knickerbocker. I have no dog in this race. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. But Downs' story continued that when she got out of her car to help, the man told her that he wanted her vehicle. The Dignity Memorial brand name is used to identify a network of licensed funeral, cremation and cemetery providers that include affiliates of Service Corporation International, 1929 Allen Parkway, Houston, Texas. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. It is in the blog. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. Detectives, like the hospital staff, were struck by Downs aloof attitude about the shootings and the fact that one of her children had been killed. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Dianes ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. Seriously. Ask them what they did to a good man. I care about the experts reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. View Robert Knickerbocker's record in Tucson, AZ including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. Postal Service to be closer to her parents. Downs was expelled from the college after one year, reportedly for her promiscuity, and she returned home to Arizona and reconnected with Steve. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. To Lori And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. It wasnt their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for6 monthsin 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. It was pitch black outside. Nobody knows but her. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. Uncover Robert's photos, videos, and more , Personal details for Robert may include . Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane hed be with her and always reneged. Her family supported her. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. Robert Knickerbocker in Scottsdale, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Scottsdale, such as Phoenix. Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. What was the rationale behind this? ), Interesting suggestion. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. But I know that there were major problems with this case. Authorities confirm former fugitive, Leticia Smith was extradited from Mexico to California. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. You need real evidence in court. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. She should of been sentenced to death. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Results for this person or the person you are looking for are not guaranteed to appear in search results. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. It is not my point. I dont know the woman. Robert Willard Knickerbocker, 72. Speculative? Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. She claims the 13-year-old boy was also shot with a BB gun and taunted with racial slurs during a sleepover. Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. I feel sorry for Diane too. Or that they are not even curious about it. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. No conflict of interest there? You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. Seems like she was her worst enemy. I go fishing with a jurors husband. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. 3. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. Thanks for the link. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Picture 2, Downs in ; Picture 3, Robert Knickerbocker entering the courtroom with his wife Charkene and sheriff's detective Doug. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). This happened in 1983, not 1893. And she should be allowed parole! In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. I think that the US system is barbaric No. With over 1,900 locations, Dignity Memorial providers proudly serve over 375,000 families a year. Select the best result to find their address, phone number, relatives, and public records. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). I look forward to reading your other blogs. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. As for Diane, give me a break. 4. Diane Downs's boyfriend, Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. Kidnapped in broad daylight at home with her children present, she bravely made a 911 call, however a tragic mistake would seal her fate. What?? College: SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life?
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