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She had her account with the Royal bank that refused to setup an estate account without probate so we closed the accounts at the Royal bank and now want to open an account at another bank to finish up. Yep. Both executors should be on the account. Is there a dollar limit for banks? Their process says I should have received a written agreement that is to be signed and returned to them. So the only money is what was left in her account and this Estate Cheque from the funeral home. I would like to reference your site to them. He had a brother & sister who are now the beneficiaries. TD gave him such a hard time. Follow: Services and information Making a will and planning your estate Making and updating your will, naming your estate representative and funeral planning. My mother passed away in April, and I met with her bank on April 26 primarily to be sure no further deposits were made. What do I need to do with this cheque? However, this past week, she received an unexpected check for a substantial amount, written out to my father's estate. The house just had a major fire and two of the executors want to sell the house as is (with the fire damage), settle with the insurance company and distribute the settlement proceeds as part of the estate. For example, some estate accounts are restricted in a way that allows deposits but no withdrawals can be made without a court order. You can't just add your name to an existing account, as that would suggest that your sister is alive and you two are joint owners, which obviously cannot be the case.This is the only thing that makes sense to me in the context of your question. Accounts are not always frozen. I am in BC. I have some Estate litigation lawyers names but want to know if I can realistically get her to replace that cheque so I can have my money. So out of her account I paid for her last medications so it is a fully paid now. All of her finances had us listed as 50/50 beneficiaries and have been paid out to us, including her bank account of 24000. We also own property that my mother as executor has never removed my Grandmother from. my father passed away and only had $960, which was held in trust by an organization. I just found out that the bank where the estate accounts exist is increasing fees for idle/dormant accounts (which these are, essentially) and I'd like to avoid being nickel and dimed for service fees. A joint account is not meant to be used to avoid probate so the courts have cracked down on it.In my view, given all of what I've said here, no, you'd never get them to pay the probate fee. A person made a will which was never signed. Other terms for estate representative include estate trustee, executor, liquidator and administrator. The estate or other eligible individuals may be entitled to Canada Pension Plan death benefits. Her authority to deal with estate assets comes from the will itself, not the probate. Can I open an estate account and deposit his cheque into it. I don't know of any law that prevents a bank from rejecting any particular ATM deposit. Two convenient options: Pay annually and save - $39.50 per yea There is another 400,000.00 in GIC's and a house in my father's name. I have all the receipts and this will be documented in the final accounting but I realize this may not entirely be legal. This is certainly not the law, but must be an internal policy of the bank. It has now been a week, and funds have not been transferred. It's never speedy at the best of times, but it will be longer if there is confusion over who is supplying what papers.Lynne, Hi Lynne,My Step daughter has an estate check for her and my son. Make sure the bank realizes that this is the only asset of the estate.Lynne. I have already paid the probate fee on the lesser amount. While this may be slightly off topic, you advised people with a question to move to a blog with less than 200 questions. No spouse. Keep the concept of the executor's year in mind. I'm very sorry to hear about your son. One thing to note before closing an account is whether it is an interest-bearing account. Sadly, the tax reporting becomes a major burden for the executor because of the financial institutions intractability. The last bank draft amount is large of course but way under 100K as in total that's approximately what each would get after taxes and expenses. I don't have the big picture! Lynne. In particular, you should not have named yourself because someone working under a POA is not allowed to benefit from the position of POA (other than collecting a wage for the work, if allowed). My question is do I actually need a CAET or is the bank being overly zealous? My mother is not very well and I have POA. Paying out of pocket should be the last resort. I'm also more then willing to walk away from the account if I can't close it. If you want to discuss the case with me, call my office at 79-221-5511 and make an appointment for a telephone conference at your convenience. Give the cheques to that person. Your question is why the bank is refusing to add your name to an estate bank account. I have challenged them on this, and they keep telling me there is no estate department (I know this aint true, I have spoken with the estate department). Your mother's money wasn't safe because your brother is a crook. Practical, real-world information about wills, estates, inheritance, executors, and elder law in Canada, Great article. If you are a co-owner with right of survivorship then the assets become yours automatically upon death and are not part of the estate. There are only two cheques to deposit and she never paid taxes, only received refunds due to low income. Getting the will to Probate is going to take a bit of time. CIBC are certainly entitled to require my ID as sole trustee. This might be repairing and restoring or it might not. I am a retired Branch Manager from another financial institution, so her attitude did not sit well with me and basically this manger argued with me on the phone. When I sold her house after she went into a nursing home, I invested the money in an Empire Life segregated fund contract as her financial advisor suggested. If the assets you have mentioned in your note are the only assets in the estate, you do not have to probate the will. Their job is to hand over the account once probate has been granted. His RRSP beneficiary form completed in 2011 lists my sister and me as his beneficiaries (oversight). Safe Deposit Boxes You will need the key to any safe deposit box so you can list the contents and access any important documents it may contain. If it is simply her account, then you need to close it and open an estate account in your name as administrator. Do you mind if I place your article on my blog and reference your site to it?Cheers,Larosabelle, Hi Larosabelle,Thanks! The money belongs to the beneficiaries, and they have every right to insist that you disburse it (once taxes and bills are paid, of course). Sure your mother is a qualified beneficiary but she wasn't named so it doesn't make any difference. Since I am sole beneficiary and will receive the cheques to his estate, how do I set up the estate bank account. On July 21, I escalated my complaint to that bank's ombudsman. That institution is causing me a lot of distress by not allowing me to deposit items or pay small liabilities on her account. This does seem like a genuine mistake, but certainly a preventable one. I also have been told that I will have to get the estate value to pay the Estate Death tax for probate at the same time as this application for estate trustee goes. My father passed Nov 18 2016; he was widowed and there are 3 beneficiaries named in the will. Do we really have to go through probate? I'm in Ontario, btw. I am an executor of my father's estate jointly with my sister. Take the funeral bill to the bank where your uncle had his funds. Thanks for your help. The executor will also need to . And I don't feel that I should be opening an account for this in my personal name. My father's house needs to be sold, we have to keep hydro on. It seems to me that you are confused about where the various sums of money are going, and you're just putting them wherever you feel like. No, I don't think you can deposit it to your personal account or cash it. They told me I would be able to get a bank card and on-line access and cheques once I had provided them with a CAET. I opened an estate bank account in BC where I live. What purpose it serves would only be a guess on my part. There are no inheritance or estate taxes in Canada. I was initially executor and stepped down due to personal reasons. In law, you have no right to do so because you've been given the cheque as executor, which means it's in trust for the beneficiaries of the estate. Will I have to fly to that province to sign the cheques or is there something that is sent to the bank to release the cheques with only one signature? I'm assuming all 3 should be signatories?Marsha, Hi Marsha,The account you need is just a regular chequing account. Opening a bank account if you're not a Canadian citizen. Every time I get another unsatisfactory response causes more stress at an already difficult time. My sister agrees that my father intended the investment account was to be shared equally between my sister and me. A couple of months pass until her house was sold and the sale closed a week ago. I was under the impression from my mother's lawyer who handed me notarial copies of her will that that document gave me the legal right to proceed and get any bank accounts changed from her name individually to "The Estate of.." There is real estate and rental properties involved, with rent payments coming in and on-going expenses to be paid on a monthly basis. She does not want me to see or access any of our moms personal documentation, banking information or personal paperwork she has in her possession. My mother maintains the joints account she had with my grandmother who passed away 4 years ago. The beneficiaries are prepared to put some money into the pot to cover the probate costs and other debts until I am named estate trustee and until which time we can sell the house and assets. Instead I seem to be stuck mingling assets with my own money, which seems like a terrible idea. You're right, that is the hold-up. You will find forms for transferring a vehicle after the death of the owner. I would suggest opening an estate account. The will states she was leaving everything (her house, bank accounts and investments ) to my mom and appointing me as executor. All properties were sold and bills paid and income tax filed. How can I get them to allow me to do this. Will I need to go to a bank and set up an estate account and can I do this without needing probate? RBC has made a royal mess for me to contend with. However, a year has passed and she is reluctant to distribute half of the account to me. Also because the will has not been probated and I am not willing to go through the paper work and trouble to do so what are my options for closing this account next year. The bank will probably insist on having both signatures if the account is set up to require both signatures. In fact I never actually did this as she was quite capable herself. My dad passed away and has no will, no assets, no liabilities, no bank account. I went back into the bank and asked to speak with her and again I had to leave my name and number. There was no will.Thank youWendy. Don't let them dictate what is appropriate for you to do, when you are the only one who bears responsibility for the funds.Lynne. To me, this is more of a bank policy question than a legal question. I've heard and seen horror stories from every bank and credit union.Note that I'm not talking about the trust company part of the banks. I suggest you read the 2007 Supreme Court of Canada cases called Pecore and Saylor. The other financial company with all the investments left, did not require probate and it was a significant sum. If anyone goes to jail or pays a fine or whatever else the fallout might be, again, that's you, not the bank. Appreciate your comments, Ed, Ed, your note rings alarm bells for me. I am just not sure how this is supposed to work?? I don't want to probate because our wills were joint as was everything in our lives. What would be the purpose of such a designation if people could just ignore them?I'm not an accountant, but my understanding is that the RRSP will be fully taxable when it is paid into the estate. After the death benefit from CPP was deposited, I as the executor, got them to make a money order for each of the 4 children (self included) to divide estate funds up and closed the joint account. Is there a time limit on how long an estate account can stay open? This declaration that the bank has mentioned are they getting that from somewhere? I have having some real tough issues with TD Bank. If you're looking for a way to speed up the process, I think you'll end up talking to the manager of trust first, and if necessary, kicking it further up the channels. Without more facts, I don't know for sure that this is what they are getting at, but there should be no bank policy to say an executor must wait 6 months. He has suffered a stroke and is slowly recovering but very difficult to communicate with him. I am also sole executor of the will. Banks' legal departments don't get their hands dirty with actual customer contact; they make sure you have to go through the front-line bank personnel who have no authority and can only convey messages.Am I frustrated? Currently, I'm asking the bank to add my name by changing the account to Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. (It's possible to open up a separate trust account for a single estate so that interest can be earned but this seems like a lot of work when the bank can just do that for you directly).Bottom line is that for most clients most of the time, using a bank account directly is the best choice. How an estate is distributed Do I need to set up a trust account to deposit this for her? Isn't it the point? Lynne, Hi Lynne,I am being assigned as an executor for my grandma's estate. Use any other estate funds you have been able to gather, such as the CPP death benefit or the sale of household contents. Apparently the estate wing of the bank does not inform the local branch where the papers were scanned if there is a problem. (The cops have had the 'case' for 6 years)So be warned some banks are willing to release funds prior to the (joint) account holders death,(whether it be weeks, or years) and that the money while insured, is not insured for theft or fraud, so you won't be getting any money back from the bank if they 'made a mistake' even though according to one manager 'it happens all the time'. If you don't have to go through probate, then by all means, don't. Doing so is giving away money that belongs to other people. There is a house and some GIC's. It's not because it's an investment account, but because of the value.Lynne. I was told by a local lawyer that if there were no assets that there would be no point spending approximately $3500.00 dollars to become an administrator. Try going to the bank where your son had his accounts, since they will have records of him, etc. Do I need to open up an estate account to transfer the money to myself. Our property is the same size. Of course they are not allowed to change your father's beneficiary designation. how long does that usually take? Sotheby's International Realty Canada cautions that MLS market data can be useful in establishing trends over time but does not indicate actual prices in widely divergent neighborhoods or account for price differentials within local markets. While I find this admirable in spirit, I am concerned as an executor whether executors can in fact make gifts that are not specifically covered in the will, especially as there are other residual beneficiaries involved. This was done after receiving the Probate Certificate which was scanned into the estate dept. If a CRA refund is the only asset in the estate, talk to the bank and ask if probate is really necessary under the circumstances. They are doing the right thing and you are ignoring how your father in law had things set up.Lynne. All from my laptop. All the risk of the account falls on the executor, not on the bank. In my experience, none of the banks are very good at handling estates. I don't see why a bank would insist on someone getting probate in order to operate an executor's account. Or do they receive (in my case, beneficiaries are to receive monthy from estate) beginning when the funds are ready to be dispursed? I might have to put in a call to a financial advisor I know over there to see what I can find out about this.Lynne. I cant help but think that the financial advisor was incompetent and forgot to file the paperwork as I have been told too many conflicting stories. Hoping you can answer my question. Does this trust belong to my daughter, or is it part of the estate, and therefore to be caught up in limbo during the probate? The client is now deceased and her power of attorney signed the cheque although I do not believe it was a joint account as only the deceased name is on the cheque. I also wanted to be sure her remaining bills were paid (less than 1K).In July I received a notice from one company that the account had been sent to a collection agency. How can I keep track of what cheques have cleared? It clearly names me as the Estate Trustee. the cheque was made payable to the estate. You can close it if you want to.You haven't said who the beneficiaries of the estate are. My husband recently died before he could receive (as sole beneficiary) money from his mother's estate who had predeceased him by 2 years. Our mother had her checking and an investment account with them. Mom's bank had temporarily closed here in this town due to the Covid-19 so I would have to go to the City talk to them in the branch. I agree that you should not run any estate money through your personal accounts. Empire Life is right, in my opinion. My mom passed in June, after living in long term care for just over a year. most of her property was gifted to me before her death. Also, they finally said they will release all the funds via bank draft payable to the estate.? if opening an estate account is the route i must take how long before assets can be distributed? Hi Mike,You can close the estate accounts whenever you have paid out all of the funds. We have heard from others that other banks did not pull this. She had no idea if I was a TD customer or not. National Bank Trust is a subsidiary of National Bank of Canada. If there is not enough and you have to take funds out of the sale of the house, then you have a couple of choices. I want to ask my question to the bank but can I get your consent first? This had to go to their Head Office and it would take about 2 weeks. Check the motor vehicles registry web page in your province. Hi,I'd like to know if it is absolutely required for an estate account to be made.My grandmother passed away and there are only two beneficiaries, my mother and I. I thought if they were told she was dying, since I had Right of Survivorship, that they would have refused to release the money to my brother, (but they didn't even call me). Through the firm that handled my mothers taxes we have filed and received a refund for her 2017 taxes. I believe you are wrong about avoiding probate because of the joint account. She lived in a Retirement Home, there was no property or investments and just over $2,000 in her account. Are you asking why you have to get probate (aka Certificate of Appointment)?Lynne. I'm in Alberta. Everything has been done for the estate. I certainly know plenty of executors who have online access to their estate accounts. To open an estate account, you need to go to the bank and request that they open an estate account. They seem to think that at the point where Registered accounts are cashed out to the estate is when taxes will be owed. A friend passed and named myself or my husband executor and also sole beneificiaries. Now the will have been pronated and the bank has all information requested but will not release the money to the estate account because they want to keep it to cover the mortgage (with the same bank). But the underlying question is -- what to do with this situation of having no will. The primary focus of the Account Specialist, Real Estate is to prepare credit applications, actively participate in credit structuring, risk management and client facing support. What kind of taxes will estate have to pay and can estate have an RRSP account?? However, an executor does have the right to use whatever bank he or she chooses, and it makes sense to go where you feel comfortable and have received good service. Lynne. If they won't let you do it your way (which happens to be the correct way) then take all the funds out and put them in a different bank.Lynne. Should I be raising cane at TD? Should we be concerned? They can object to them if they think the expenses are inappropriate.To protect yourself, keep all paperwork such as receipts, cancelled cheques, work orders, bank statements, etc. Where do I even go for help on this? He had all the necessary documents but I guess in their mind the estate was not worth their time. Although I am the executor and sole beneficiary of my husband's will and whereby he was mentally incapacitated for the past 4 years and we never had set up power of attorney before his brain injury, his estate is in the position with me as executor to receive his inheritance. Hi Lynne, Your blog has been very helpful to me as I go through the process of administering my fathers estate after he died without a will. For example there could be some doubt about the validity of the will or dispute among the beneficiaries about the will. As there was only cash in his estate I did not set up an estate account - the death benefit cheque was deposited to his account. The mistake is just as much yours, as a person under a POA instructing them to do something you weren't allowed to do in the first place.I know this probably isn't the answer you wanted, but that's how I see it.Lynne, Hi Lynne. It sounds as though one will be open longer because of your tax holdback. An Estate account is a different kind of account - it is a new account opened after someone has passed away, into which the Executor deposits the deceased person's money, from which the Executor pays the deceased person's debts and bills, and from which the Executor ultimately distributes funds to . Hello Lynne,My mother passed away in February and I am a co-executor along with my brother. She died in January, but now Empire Life says that they made a mistake in allowing me (as POA) to name myself as a beneficiary and want to make a cheque payable to the estate. Again, square peg. It's now over a year since our relative's DOD and delays are almost all due to the executor's actions or lack thereof. Once the funeral arrangements have been made and all interested parties informed of the death, one of the first things the executor must do is deal with the bank accounts of the deceased: Finding out what banks, credit card companies, and other financial institutions the deceased dealt with, notifying them that you are the executor, and determining the details of assets in all accounts. Your summary here seems to say that you've really wrapped up everything except for that final tax bill, so there is no reason for you to have two accounts open anymore.As for resistance from the bank, there shouldn't be any. My question is can someone replace him without electing a new executor? She said I would receive an e-mail and/or a call. The bank has all information needed, and said that it should only take a day or two to have funds transferred. They have no say over what an executor does with an estate account. Is this really 2017?Anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated!Thanks.Fred, Personally, I don't see the difference in an online account for an estate and an online account for an individual, once you have established your credentials as the executor. Unfortunately, often the only feasible solution is for the accountant to prepare worksheets, pieced together from whatever data can be determined, allocating assets and incomes into pre- and post-death portions, for reasonable, if not precise, tax reporting. Doing otherwise is theft or fraud.Lynne. Paying out of pocket should be the last resort. We need to access funds to pay final funeral expenses, property tax, and more importantly estate taxes so we can begin probate.How we do access the funds? My question is this cheque can ONLY be deposited into the estate account( we still have one set up) and not a personal account correct?Thank you so much. I have paid some substantial expenses out of my own pocket and now require pay back fairly quickly as my own bills are due. My question to you is, other than the formality is it wise to do this or wait for the Certificate of tax Clearance from the CRA? No, there is no time limit specified anywhere. Asked by: Ozella Braun | Last update: February 9, 2022. Is this an honour system, or does the bank verify estate accounts by looking at the will? You have not just a right to see the paperwork but it is your responsibility to straighten all of this out.Definitely use some of the money to pay bills. The bank was very helpful ,CIBC, in not having me set up an estate account (funds in account under $3000) as I had a joint account due to his dementia where his money went in and his bills came out of. We were able to open up an estate account at the Bank of Montreal and transfer the funds from her account without going through probate. The TD bank allowed my brother to even close accounts, and cash in GICs and made all assets payable to him. Lynne. I was joint POA with my brother, but my mother only added my name to her bank assets, explaining to them that she wanted me to have Right of Survivorship on all assets. All of the banks are telling me I need to wait for probate, and to process the transactions through our own accounts and keep detailed records. Hi Lynne,I have a question. I assume what is going on is that your husband was the sole owner of the funds. My dad had no will, no spouse and i am his only child. I know this is an old topic, but I have a question. I have received the probate, and can access to the Estate bank account, and wonder if I could just go to the bank and withdraw money for my reimbursement? Can Laurentienne refuse to transfer the funds from my decesased uncle's account to BMO? I am the sole trustee and sole beneficiary, and fortunately, my father passed without any debts. I did not get a call back. Since I haven't heard from the bank I have taken the money she had in there and put it in a separate account at my bank and it will sit in there until everything is done. But bank policy about the probate requirement is made at the higher levels and the local branches only have so much flexibility. Death benefits are administered by the federal government. I have seen copies of the draft and the amount in the Estate account that was left in March, so I know this is the last big payment left. Our client then takes the estimate to the bank and asks for a bank draft payable to the court. I just received an insurance cheque made out to " The Estate of ". bank accounts (includes foreign banks) Shares, bonds, trust units, options, mutual funds, TFSAs, RRSPs, RRIFs vehicles such as cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, trailers situated in or outside Ontario goods or material Hello Lynne,My mom passed away in January of this year and about 7 months before that she changed beneficiary on her investment account and TFSA from the estate to me. Or do you actually mean mirror wills? The first stage of estate planning is preparation. I am an accountant and excutor of my wife's aunt estate. At least, that's their point of view. Can my sister disburse fees from my fathers estate accounting to reimburse my brother for return air fare and to me for gas mileage, when we attended his rental to remove his belongings and sell his assets? We spoke with a tax specialist for the bank on the phone, and he said if the branch would update her accounts to show 'estate of' in the titles of the accounts he could reissue the slips to show the required information - however the branch is refusing stating probate requirement. Can the power of attorney for his will assume control of our mothers estate? (In case my brother contested the Will, I would still get the money). They told me to open an estate account.he doesn't have any assets nor investment, is it necessary to open an estate account? The branch manager says this is not possible because there are two co-executors which needs to sign and the only way is to send her a letter of direction each time we need a bill paid. The sole real asses, a condo, sold in December of 2018. Lynne. An estate account is a financial tool used to manage the estate of a decedent. It has been a great help to our family.My question relates to your initial post at the top. If the executor is the beneficiary can they then use the estate funds for personal since all financial obligations will come to them anyway? Thanks in advance for your input. Is my only recourse to take her to court or at this point start litigation? I opened an Estate account with TD as well. One lawyer told my mother, that she had a case against the three banks, but of course she was dying and had no money except for her pension, which he took, convincing her he had made a deal for my brother to return the money, and pay thousands in legal fees, to the lawyer. Hi Lynne, If the executor is also the beneficiary do they get access to the funds right away since the financial obligation will come to them regardless? The house had a secured LOC on it and we handed over the keys after telling bank no more payments would be made on LOC. She had no assets other than a savings account. I wasn't aware that they were doing that. Banks drive me nuts, for exactly the kind of thing you've just described.Lynne. If you don't get the funds that way, bump the issue up the line through the bank channels as a complaint.Lynne. This meant the assets did not go through the Will, nor to my brother, yet all three banks released, the funds to my brother (2 banks, within hours of the day he and his daughter changed the POA to remove me, and just make it the two of them) it was almost a year, before my mother found out the POA had been changed, as she never asked for it to be changed. After someone passes away, their assets and debts will need to be accounted for and managed. I was told in the beginning the less money in the account the easier it will be to close out I have a felling this isn't so. No debits. Do I have any rights? As well I received a cheque from a class action (veterans affairs). I am both executor of her "estate", as well as POA and sole beneficiary. Ask them to pay the bill from his chequing account. The bank now says I have to wait 6 months before disbursing to beneficiaries. One employee actually told the two executors to deposit into the account my mother in law held joint with the one vs opening a new one. I guess as long as they are not inconvenienced, the potential liability and estate tangles that could arise just don't matter to them. If the account is closed, you have to open a new one, as you have a legal obligation to deposit them and use them to pay any outstanding debts of the estate.Lynne. THe big risk is, if a testamentary trust is involved, as there are deadlines that might be missed and taint the trust. I am in a similar situation with no will for my deceased father. You don't have to wait until the will is probated. but i have a tax refund cheque payable to the estate of xxxxx. The only joint wills I've ever heard of are the kind where there is only one document shared between two people, and those haven't been done for about 50 years in most of Canada. If that is the case, what exactly are you expecting CRA to give you? Given that there was no will, no spouse, and no other children, the chances of anyone else appearing are next to nothing. He was a financial broker and received commissions from the insurance company, These commissions are to continue to me but the insurance co. can only make them payable to my husband's name>(because they are only payable to a broker). When my husband left , he said they did not care, they were not there to help, they would not listen and talked over him.Needless to say, no estate account was opened. Hi Lynne,My mother passed away in Aug 2018. What if my sister didn't put my name (co-executor) n the account? Will I need to open an Estate Account? This is an on-going business with on-going income and bills that need to be paid. I have opened an Estate Account for my father, but the bank will *NOT* give me an updatable bank book or online access to the account. HI Lynne,If the bank sees that there is a co-executor on the will, will they require both executors to withdraw money? recently received a cheque made out to the estate and attention of me"Jane Doe" can I deposit this cheque into my personal account or does it have to be deposited intorbhe estate account. I paid the expenses (probate fees etc) personally as I was not allowed access to the funds. Her girlfriend/partner of 30 years passed away. This is because a grant of probate is an order of the court that indemnifies everyone who follows it. I have not received anything in writing other than a few emails. Hi Lynne, our mother passed away in February this year. Estate planning, wills and dealing with death Making a will, planning your estate, powers of attorney and what to do following a death. I have 2 questions. When the court appointed me as the administrator, her bank account changed from Jane Doe to Estate of Jane Doe. Lynne. All debts of the estate have been paid. The other is that a judge figures it out for you, which of course means legal fees to be paid.Lynne. I am executor of the will. I happen to be a beneficery, as well as my 3 kids. After it is all said and done the money will be divided between all 5 of us. Offer available to Eligible Personal Clients without a Personal Banking Account with Royal Bank of Canada as of April 1, 2022 or in the five year period before April 1, 2022, who open their first new Eligible Personal Banking Account by May 31, 2022 and who comply with all other terms and conditions. I've read many comments here that suggest that RBC may insist on a probated will, and I'm wondering if this process is truly necessary? If you did not obtain the permission of the court to step down, you are still the executor. Those people actually DO know their way around estates really well. We have cheques to deposit, but dont know where to put them now. Can my mother continue to live in the house or does she have to move? I am an only child. the bank of the deceased rejected an ATM deposit to the estate bank account. Plug in values from the estate account into the appropriate schedule under the correct category. I was advised around that time by the branch manager that an account estate should be opened by the first week of August.It is now August 8 and there is still no estate account. I have dealt with two CIBC staff and have been promised a CIBC Manager but no Manager has yet contacted me.Is CIBC correct in making asserting they are making lawful requests identification of beneficiaries and for requiring each and every beneficiary to appear at a CIBC branch, identify themselves and completing account application forms? Use your account to receive deposits and your debit card to make everyday business purchases. As I said, not all banks are responding properly to the change in the law (from 2007) and some are paying out joint bank accounts between parent and child to the child. Ever.The executor must wait along with everyone else for the estate to be wound up to get his or her inheritance.Either you are mistaken about the financial obligations of an executor, or I'm reading your question incorrectly. I am the beneficiary to the residual. She also signed up for internet service to manage dads estate. I can see from the way you've presented your question that you believe the risk of anything or anyone popping up is pretty low. Other banks are also refusing to open estate accounts. You may be named in a will as someone's estate representative. One is in C$ and one in US$ to handle any subsequent legacy dividends from her investments, before I could get them organized, transferred to me, and sold to cash. Her will states two executors joint. He banked with Scotiabank, and they are telling me that they will not transfer money from his accounts into an estate account with another financial institution. As trustee, I am unable to distribute or transfer the funds of the Estate. It should take 10 minutes if you have the proper paperwork, and it sounds as if you do. Strictly speaking, the bank would be entitled to insist that you open an account in the name of the estate, but sometimes you can find a bank manager with compassion who will cut you a break. The bank has closed the account and sent the cheque to the estate. Instead of avoiding the probate fee, not only does the account still go into the estate, but you may also have to pay for a lawsuit to determine your mother's intention in making the account joint. I am the sole executor and beneficiary of my deceased husband. is, however I am just doing it myself to save money as everything was straight forward and I am paying all bills as they come in. Probate is slow because her state pension came from UK along with a small occupational pension. You should not have listed anyone but her estate as the beneficiary of that contract. . Working with banks can be tricky, because they don't offer their employees much training with respect to estates. My three sisters and I are the beneficiaries, however my mother had no assets and lived with us. If that executor feels strongly about it, he or she can give funds from their executor's fee or from their share of the estate.Lynne. I am the executor of my uncle's estate. Clip: "If you're an executor, however, you can open the [estate] account at any time once you take charge of the estate. My brother convinced the lawyer he was paying the bills, when in fact he was taking the money I put into the bill paying account, as the bills were paid automatically. Apparently, they were under no such obligation, in fact the manager of one bank stated, that since my brother was POA, he could do what ever he wanted with my mother's money, and the first thing he did was put a couple thousand towards a loan payment (don't know to which bank - but it does mean they benefited). There are two other executors and decisions are to be made unanimously. Does the annual audit of accounts reflect this inaction? Not every will is probated, and the banks are well aware of that, particularly if some of your joint assets were held there. My question is, do I need to apply for a probate grant before I go to a financial institution to open an estate account? Hi Lynne, i am sole beneficiary of my mothers estate. Does the executor pay out of pocket?I would really appreciate your help. My financial institution says that they are not allowed, but will make concessions for burial costws and probate application only. That sounds wrong to me. Again, absolutely unacceptable.The situation needs to be cleaned up, and the quicker the better. By then of course, the 10 days will be long past. In order for that to happen, there has to be a will that appoints you. The trust now holds $75,000. Estate Administrator: A legal term referring to a person appointed by the court to administer the Estate of a deceased person who died without making a Will. Do I have a case? He had a will.. What are the alternatives if a bank will not open an estate bank account without probate? HI Lynn, My case is very complicated,it started with the land my mum bought 5 acres of land in Fiji and she got her first cousin Vana to handle things to sell the land which mum got many offers even for $450,000.00 but mum trusted her daughter-in-laws family the lawyer she hired and her cousin in Fiji.when our beloved mother passed away notary Sublock Sublock never even got mum to sigh her Will even though we paid $170 fee for that one home visit Mr.Sublock refused to help us and we sent mum's old Will which was Notarized and the Fiji Courts refused to accept it and my dad was next of kin now they said Vana and fiji lawyer Ulamila Tuipuku said that my dad needs to do a Probate and I sent $3,500 for court/lawyer/probate and months down the road Vana and Ulamila said that the court won't accept the Probate that they wanted her in my Dad's WIll which he "WE HAD A DEAD LINE OR LOSE THE LAND " we said that was crazy and we went through with that and so so and we went through Mr. Sablock again because he had the history regarding the land and my mum's information etc.My dad wanted to sell the land because there was squatters on the land and two churches was already built on land without permission and you wonder who was minding the place.When I made an offer to a performance on the land Vana was so upset she was yelling and I said okay you have 6 weeks and she said she already had the money and we'll we waited and waited for the paper work.When I tried from May 2012 til Feb 2013 to get the lawyer to send papers yo sell the land she was making all kinds of excuses and we sent thousands of dollars for court cases and the land .The thing is after my dad passed away the first thing Vana said is remember that I'm the excutor on the Will and no one can go above me and I was do she said none of your kids can go above my head and this just to show she knew what she was doing .We'll after all that she said that the land is in her name and the lawyer who was supposed to be working for my dad was working for her and went against both my parents. Giving Power of Attorney Are you supposed to be supplying it? I need to set up an estate account for him. What should I do? By this I mean a proper account set up, funds properly deposited, interest properly paid to the account, nobody else with access to it, and a full, accurate accounting of every penny. Start Schedule A by plugging in the grand total from the final Inventory of Assets into Schedule A. Please go ahead and post it. I'm very glad you got this resolved quickly.Lynne. Once probate is completed and Certificate of trustee is issued does the Executor have absolute control over the Estate bank account, including authority to make dispersals to beneficiaries, be paid executor fees and close the account at any time? Should I be opening up an estate account in the deceased name? I could look at them online, print transaction records, and transfer funds in or out if necessary or as required. She will not sign it. It does not include joint accounts in which the other party is still alive. The probate is their indemnity against the deceased's funds to the wrong person. Hi lynne,My mother passed away in late October. She had one (nonjoint) bank account, a TFSA which had some money in it. Score: 4.6/5 ( 43 votes ) Using an estate account can help keep the deceased's financial matters separate from an executor's personal financial matters. The simple answer is that the people in the branch have no idea how to deal with estates. Then all of a sudden none of the kids will get the joint accounts any more. My husband passed away recently without a will. The reason we were fighting is because our understanding is that the Will should trump every other document completed before the Will. Once the letter of probate has been granted and presented to the bank where the estate account has been set up, does the bank have any further right to "approve" payments coming out of the estate account. slips. There were no investments just bank accounts in both our names, (my father and mine)so the money could pass seamlessly in the event of his passing. My context for the question was a little different: an estate account with two trustees specified in the will who are to pay bills for someone in a house who is not being given direct access to the money. You don't have to wait for anything but the cheque to clear. I want to pay his bills first and then divide up whats left when I know there are no more debts to pay. Lynne. My mother passed, without a will. My mothers estate is relatively simple and comprised of an investment account with a major financial institution and 2 bank accounts, all of which I am listed as joint (prior to her death I was my mothers POA for property). I have just received her CPP funeral benefits paid to the estate as we were unaware her will had not been signed correctly until after the funeral. It's just an expense and a bother if it's not needed. I am in the process of opening an estate account for these commissions to go into and need to know if the funds will be accessible to me for paying bills & mortgage etc. When he passed, he had a bit of money in the bank. I fear they are aware we will be transferring all the money to another bank and that is the hold up. No. My mother passed away January 19, 2020. How many times do I hear that in a week? I have 2 brothers and we were all named beneficiaries. However, keep in mind that as an executor, your obligation is to wind up the estate as efficiently and quickly as possible. Excellent blog and thank you for writing the Self-Counsel press document "How Executors Avoid Personal Liability" in BC, published in 2014. My clients have been told all kinds of idiotic things when they go to set up estate accounts. Let's say my sister's name is Jane Doe and I'm Sara Smith. When the final payouts are made after the tax clearance certificate is received. There are RSP's that are to be transferred into the estate account to help pay for the funeral. Several expenses were incurred and paid from my own pocket while waiting for the probate to be granted. Yes, you should should go to the bank to set up an estate account, and no you shouldn't need probate to do that. Hi Lynne: Great and informative blog.My husbands uncle died recently. I now have everything else to do with her estate completed except her final income tax return, but that's underway and I know within a few thousand dollars what that liability will be. Can I relinquish my claim as beneficiary and have Empire Life send the money directly to my 2 brothers, thus avoiding probate? Is it really the case that I can't get this information if the PEOPLE aren't available? If all of that is paid up, the funds go to his beneficiaries. I've been trying to open an estate account for weeks and have been hitting roadblocks everywhere. If they won't transfer the funds directly, empty the accounts by having the bank prepare drafts written to the estate. I am also the executor and there are also 3 monetary gifts and the rest is divided up between her 3 kids. Well, I posted the above,on July 16tth along with the other person who also had issues with Royal bank on July 8th. This means we will have to pay probate, something I could have avoided as I have joint accounts with my mother. Is it necessary to wait for probate to be completed? Perhaps the house would fetch more if it were repaired and restored, but the executors will have to balance that off against the cost of repairs, the cost of insurance and property tax during that time, the odds that the market will stay strong, how much of a gain in price there is likely to be, and the patience (or lack of it) on the part of the beneficiaries. I asked if i can close the account and open one that says Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. All decisions of joint executors must be made unanimously, so all three will have to sign all cheques.Lynne. No probate is required. Thx. That is why the bank won't help you. If all is well, the probate order will verify the will is valid. A sizable amount ended up here. My brother lives two provinces away. I advised my husband to find another bank, because after I talked to the TD Manager, wanting to understand what they told him, the branch manager talked over me too. The contents of this website must not be interpreted, considered or used as if it were financial, legal, fiscal, or other advice. Two witnesses, however, signed the will as witnesses and swear that the maker of the will (now deceased) made the will, and somehow no one noticed that the maker did not sign it. Her affairs are simple and the estate is modest. Sat-Sun 8 a.m.-8 p.m. ); Your joint executors might have a strained or non-existent . They will not liquidate any account of any kind worth $500,000 without either probate or Letters of Administration. One is to pay for the funeral up front and reimburse yourselves after the house sells. Everything else of my husbands, all accounts, homes,, RRSP's etc. The money belongs in his estate, which has to be used to pay off any debts or taxes he might owe. She is also the executor, which means that ultimately she is the one who will take responsibility for the payment of the funds.So, what is their risk? The person you choose to administer your estate will use the account's funds to settle your debts, pay taxes and distribute assets. All Canadian banks apparently have their own rules regarding estate accounts and probate. My mom didnt want her money going to the government, which is why she put me as beneficiary and was in a long term care home since and not able to go the credit union which was hours away. It never works when people try to make square pegs fit into round holes by using financial instruments and legal documents to do things they were never meant to do.Anyway, enough lecture. Absolutely unacceptable.You said that "she" sent funds from "her" bank account so I assume that is his wife. I know this because I spent 7 years at Scotiabank doing whatever I could to help out the front line staff dealing with estates. I recently opened an estate account at a bank and they refuse to give me online access. The probate was finished March 9 and that same day I gave the probate papers to the bank. Hello Lynne, If an executor is aware that the total value of an estate is over $100k, but values are from multiple sources (i.e. I seem to have a combined bank estate/tax problem. HiMy mom past away.There was no will and no court ordered executor.I payed for the funeral as her son because someone had too.I do not want to be executor as my mother had nothing so its not worth the trouble.I will let the government deal with my moms affairs..My question is the funeral home gave me a form to apply for cpp death benifit and said to me that it will help cover costs of the funeral.I payed in full 7000 for funeral and received a cheque from government for 2000 but its not in my name its in the name of my mothers estate.How do i get the cheque put in my name as there is no will or executor..Or do I just throw cheque out and suck up the the 7000 funeral bill.Any help would be appreciated.ThanksRon, The government isn't going to deal with your mom's affairs. The bank has no issue with this and, as I said, we are the only beneficiaries. Perhaps you should go to another bank.Lynne, Hi Lynne, my husband recently passed. Hi there If I was listed as executor as per cra but they dont give you anything to prove that, can I still open the account get the refunds from cra and close the account without this probate? Thank you for your answer! I tried depositing it in our joint account but they won't accept it. What is my recourse as an executor? Take the will, a copy of the death certificate (or funeral director's statement) and your I.D. It's under $75,000. Your husband's estate is separate from him. As my mother was only receiving income for the first 3 months of the year and we made a quarterly payment to the CRA, my expectation is that the tax liability for 2018 will be very small or may even involve a refund to the estate. The estate accounts usually contain the amount of compensation claimed by the executor. Depending on how long you keep the funds untouched and whether you pair it with a premium chequing account, you can earn up to 4.60% on your savings (includes limited-time bonuses). You can open an estate bank account after initiating probate and petitioning the court for formal recognition as executor or administrator. If that doesn't work, it would be way cheaper to courier the cheques to you to sign and send back, rather than fly there.Lynne. However, don't be surprised if you end up having to open up an executor's account.Lynne. That is the worst thing he can do.Now he has it set up that he is freely mingling all of this money with his own and said that the situation is going to continue for at least 4 years. The alberta bank is insisting on probate. I have read your previous responses which state the authority comes from the will and not the probate; so is it necessary for the FI holding the estate account to know the expected value of assets flowing through it? 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