. A T/C Contender G2 or Encore makes a lot more since. Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. Who knows what the future will bring and if the wife and I will one day move out of this state, but for now we have good jobs, good friends, a good church, no debt, and hope that the current angst against Newsom and the Left in general will bring about some degree of change in November. Turned out to be a skunk right underneath my stand. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. I have seen a gun blow up (not mine) and therefore I am very careful when I reload. Got a lot of positive comments on it. 38 special. Forgot to add. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. Winchester 1892 Deluxe 357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle with 24 Inch Octagon Barrel. The Casull is way shorter than the Max and ~the same OAL as the 360 DW. At least try it with used reloading equipment, one or or two sets of dies. We show you how. Shop online for discount .357 Remington Max ammunition from top ammo brands like Remington, Federal, Winchester, Hornady, CCI, Speer, and many more. Bagged in plastic, clean, and well oiled. It came back looking like new. . I wish I had bought more..or kept more ..lol. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames., I have to agree. Item Number: 534259137. As the sport grew, the single shots came into their own as did fancy, short bolt guns, but a quarter of the program was always with a stock revolver. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 We used Small Rifle primers for all load data, and they did fine with the propellants we tested. rounds and it goes on just about every trip to the range. Henry is finally putting out some side loading gate models, while still retaining the muzzle end magazine tube, so as to make them easier and safer to unload. Paper patch an almost pure lead 380 to 400 gr bullet and it will do a number on an critter waaaaay out there even propelled with black powder but you have to know where your rifle shoots at what yardage. Most of our deer were harvested at 30-45 yards. Give a Gift Now its the way it should have been from the factory. I watched him shoot an elk at about 70 yards once behind the shoulder and one through and had complete penetration on both, elk went 20 yards. I make do with a 336 Marlin in .35 Rem. In bolt action or semi auto, I would choose the 350. The .357 Remington Maximum is the .357 Magnum revolver round lengthened .315 inch, and was basically developed by the hyper-competitive Elgin Gates, who among other things raced powerboats and obsessively hunted trophy-book big game around the world. Ive been at the range many times when people in adjacent lanes started talking about trigger quality and, when I let them fire that old 19, the response is usually just, wow. A . I can even hunt with both in some neighboring states, and do. Not quite as fast but a staple item is 296/110 with 23 gr. Browning created the 1892 to compete with the Marlin 1888, and according to legend, completed the work in two weeks. Do you have a case length limitation in your state for a straight wall case? Shipping to your FFL by insured FedEx Ground will be $45. .357 caliber bullets (from left to right) 158 gr XTP, 180 gr XTP, 200 gr FTX, New 357 Rem Max casing. Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. Gun Genius. JWM, I too would love to have pairs of 357 and 44 mags. BTW, next to .357 Mag in the combo, my next favorite choice would be the set in .44 Mag. Through my industry connections, I heard plenty of finger-pointing about metallurgy and propellant choices, but the ultimate outcome was that the revolver market for this cartridge simply dried up. rifle is 17.1gr. Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. Looking for 170-190gr bullet loads and a plinking load for a hard cast GC/cheep jacketed bullet. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. In the meantime, be sure to sign the Recall. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. I have been thinking of adding a Henry Big Boy X in .357 to go along with my other lever guns, but Ive heard that .357 can be inconsistent regarding accuracy out of a carbine. SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. A lever gun would be a really fun toy for me. lets say it was well used and not maintained. There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. Gun shows are your salvation. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. From pressure data with this specific bullet, we knew there were no safety issues with the slightly oversize bullet as along as handloaders used Speer data for the Speer bullet. It is such a joy to shoot! T/Cs Contender pistol was also a natural for this cartridge, and it was a popular chambering. Ive never understood the fascination with Black Rifles. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post Perfect for those states with straight wall case limits and/or overall cartridge case length limits where in most cases the .45 cal. I might have to take that to the range next time and see what happens. Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. I specialize in Thompson Center barrels but also rechamber CVA, H&R, and the new Henry single shots in .357 Magnum to .357 Maximum, .350 Legend, and a number of other .35 caliber cartridges such as .35 Remington and .358/.356 Winchester. Headquarters for everything .357 Remington Maximum, Superlative accuracy from MGM 1-20 twist rifle barrel shot at 80 yards. I put a Wild West trigger on the 336, and its great, but that puts the Marlin price right up there with Henry. The 357 max is all that plus a bit of more power available. This beefed up, elongated .357 Magnum has also been chambered in Dan Wesson revolvers as well as several single shot rifles and pistols including the T/C Contender. JavaScript is disabled. Most 158-grain and lighter bullets usually lack the jacket thickness for use on big game in a Contender. But it was attached to the saddle..which was (hopefully) attached to the horse. The problem with rebarreling a Ruger No 1 or 3 is not the round, it it locating a gunsmith capable of dealing with a Ruger single shot action. For complete guns, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. For full power loads like 30 gr. and i personally think the word tactical and the word options are interchangeable. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:56 pm, Post Actually prefer 30-30 to any handgun round. The.357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. They both have Constitutional carry! Barrel has only been to the range for load development. I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. | The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. The .357 Magnum round is pushed to greater ballistic performance (add about another 600 fps and another 500 ft-lbs of energy, give or take) as well as a wealth of ammunition choices. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:44 pm, Post Yeah, what ever it is you want has a magical mystical ability of always being someplace else. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! Colt - Python, .357 Magnum. In a rifle, this cartridge is easy on the shoulder, making it a natural for new shooters. In 357 max 24" Douglas premium barrel 1in16 twist shoots 180 pointed flat point over 4227 with CCI 450 primer .7 inches at 100 don't have to worry about resale I'll keep this one. bullets in barrels around 20. To reload the .357, a Lee Loader is all you need, plus a supply of primers, a pound of powder and bullets. Really puts a pop in the round. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. Goes to show I learn something new every day. Im a wee bit envious. But WHATEVER YOU DO, dont use FMJ for self defense. Its replete with a brass receiver, 20-inch octagonal barrel and buckhorn rear sight, so it has the classic look and feel, but also features a brass bead front sight and 10-round magazine tube. The option for a MAG chamber lets you load published .357 MAXimum loads in the MAGnum case: Henry wisely chose the old, original closed breech barrel chamber with a very short forcing cone, as opposed to the current overly long forcing cone chamber that is essentially the same as a "shot out" barrel used by nearly all other manfacturers. I would add Chiappa Alaskan in .357 Magnum to the mix. Slick set up that kept a rifle close to hand and out of sight. allows seating bullets out to create the same case capacity as the published "revolver spec" .357 Maximum loads that have all the bullet shank stuffed into the case, duplicate .350 Legend powder charge weights that should give the same or better ballistics as factory .350 Legend ammo, and. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post Yes, it was an easy one to fill the bill with. Found a gunsmith who examined it, he got it working again. Bullets manufactured by Hornady. Some of the smaller single-action companies produced their version. 1,535 max: Lil'Gun: 17.0 gr. Your buddys Italian .357 was probably a Chiappa. .38 Spl is an absolute dream to shoot in a .357 lever gun. Working range would be 50-70 yards. It was way past the time Henry made a side loading gate Lever action rifle. Last time I went hunting. MGM's chamber is perfect for the vast majority of hunters and target shooters! Good item. JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. I just checked Davidsons, my primary national wholesaler. It brings old school to the new school and shoots like a dream. And you get a couple more rounds in the tube. Use only MAGNUM Rifle primers in .357 Maximum loads. While visiting Rugers New Hampshire facility in 1985, I learned that when the company built the California Highway Patrol Commemorative model of the No. They were discontinued for quite awhile and JMs were going for $1200 or more. Khalil, Ive got one in .327 Fed Mag and Im here to tell you IT IS SWEET!! Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. The unnecessary cross bolt safety can easily be deleted with a Beartooth Mercantile safety delete kit for $35.00. Remington is the only manufacturer of brass for this caliber, but Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Remington, Winchester, and several other manufacturers make bullets that work well for the cartridge. Every bullet tested shot very well, and we did not have any key-holing whatsoever on any of the projectiles. The.357 Maximum, formally known as the.357 Remington Maximum or the.357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat.357 SuperMag. I really am not trying to get a caliber war started but, I think the .357 mag is about the perfect handgun round. This allows, again, for higher velocities and energies than the revolvers made by Ruger and Smith & Wesson. Long guns get in the way. Threaded barrel. Max. Go to GB or GI and find yourself a Browning B-92 in .357. Just, reading the article reminded me about it. Location. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. He cleaned that up. Lite recoil and is deadly. Not a bad option if you are living in a slave state. Citadel Levtac-92 .357 Magnum Tactical-Lever! You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. In a handgun .357 is the upper level of my comfort zone. These comments are directed at the people say there is no ammo to buy, or its too expensive. The hammer was replaced and some work was done to help the feeding and cycling but I am still having a bolt issue. The "little but mighty" .357 " Maxie" ! You have my (good natured) envy. 350 Ledgend vs 357 Rem Max | Bloodydecks Latest posts Offshore They're here!!! Before the Remington, Freedom group takeover. 20170926..35Cal.190gr.Fury.Jug.Test - Copy1.jpg, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/, https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2435, https://matchgrademachine.com/encore-contender-357-magnum-maximum-load-development-results/, http://hawkbullets.com/bullet-selection.html, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/ets?caliber=43, http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf. Nice single shot rifle. Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. Many people download it and get unburnt . Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on July 21, 2015: I had the opportunity to fire a colleague's .357 Max "Contender" and he worked with my .41 Magnum. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. Thanks for reading! There'll be no market for it. Turns out that my relatively new Ford pickup has plenty of room for a lever gun too. This is well within the expansion range of the slightly larger XTP. Load data for 9 loads in caliber .357 Maximum with .355 . It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. If you want a lever gun for your wall and occasional shooting, good luck doing better. Perfect. )(2009 Note: Some of these loads are from 1996 and in the passing years the powder companies have reduced their maximum loads particularly ones that have been around a long time like Unique. Carbine length (left) vs. .357 Magnum (Right). Unless Marlin has COMPLETELY reformed their QC system, I would never spend $600 on one of their levers. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. . I use handguns for everyday carry. plus i have very bad eyes, and kinda need a scope or a red dot to shoot in a relaxed fashion. (Winchester 94) and .22lr (Marlin 39A x2) with various accompanying sidearms. It has a lot going for it: you can drive a 125 grain JHP .38 to .357 handgun velocities, its 16 barrel is just as handy as an AR, you can reload on the fly like a shotgun, its legal in all 50 states, not frightening to non-POTG, and is simple to operate. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. Finding ammo can be tough for any caliber these days, but if youve already got a stash of .38 and .357 for your handguns, youve already got that covered. Please try a new zip code and search again. And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. A couple of decades ago, I had a New England, top-break, single-shot rifle chambered in .357 maximum with naught but iron sights. Make sure to watch till the end. Try it you won't regret it. Lube is easily made from beeswax and chassis grease. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . Show Only Guns When I lived in the mountains caretaking a state property, soon learned the first day of hunting season would see the deer herd moving onto the property, bedding down behind the residence and the snow plow shed. We are not currently living in such times, when even steel-cased Russian 9mm is sold off the shelves at ridiculous markups. I have one, and they are very nice, but spendy, and very hard to come by. . Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Just wish the all-weather version didnt have the silly loop lever. . Maybe some lighter .30-30 loads would be better, but .357 would be so good. As to market, a very subjective matter. $150 if you take the simple route leaving the Henry forend on, (This for the extra handling and care packaging to protect the wood finish.). Winchester Firearms 1873 Deluxe Sporting 357 Mag / 38 Spl Lever-Action Rifle with Color Case Hardene. The topstrap cutting kept on but eventually stopped. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. using H4227 and H110. My standard rule for maximum pressure that I have gone by for over 35 years is to take pressures to the point where a slight crater (ridge) begins to appear around the firing pin indent, then back off to just below that point. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. Several years back I wanted a light weight all weather stainless steel single shot rifle chambered in 357 magnum, and the Rossi was the answer. Pun intended. Low dollar lever gun joy is in your future. Firearms returned for any reason other than damage or undisclosed conditions will be subject to a 10% restocking fee. Used Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA 2-3/4 or 3" shell,Top break action, Reciever is a case hardened finish. I really like my lever guns, also have a early JM guide gun in 45-70 and also one in 450 Marlin. Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. Rimmed cases don't play well with stacked magazines like in the 700 Remington. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm, Post I have not seen the .357 atomic but know of the .375 atomic-it is a i.4 in. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. 357 Remington Maximum Load Data Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. It has always had a good trigger but now it has one of those Ive fired it about 50,000 times trigger jobs and is as smooth and sweet as any trigger Ive owned. can you find sace for a backpack sized tote? Rechambering to bottle neck cartridges with additional for handling and converting extractor for rimless cases, from $205. Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. I doubt nothing that Taffin says, but we both know that no gun maker will ever live with that kind of visible damage.But let's step back and look at what the .357 Maximum was designed to do. .357 Mag ammo from brands like Hornady, Federal, and CCI. If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. Finding component will likely be tough though. Thanks for your replies. $2.92. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. Back in 05, I bought an Interarms marked Rossi model 92SR off of the used rack at a LGS for $200. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. I shot 180 hardcast lead both from Buffalo Bore and HSM bear loads. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. I'd bet you well over 90 percent of all IHMSA ammo was loaded on the shooter's bench. But I also have lever rifles in pistol calibers of 357 and 45 colt. Description. This cartridge began the " Magnum era" of handgun ammunition. version of the .375 supermag (1.61 in.) Pistol caliber lever action rifles do make sense for benighted states, and are also still a lot of fun for the rest of us as well. It shoots factory PMC 158 gr soft points into a half inch at 50 yards. A hollow-point 357 magnum bullet combines maximum weight retention and terminal expansion to provide threat-stopping power . It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Take a lever action over an AR every day. .44 mag would batter my hands a bit too much these days. Then you wont be caught short. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. Every time TTAG runs a lever gun article I want one. We discuss most anything here politely. It might not be a good reason but thats not what was asked. The Gun That Won The West. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. I know both of these are on the cheap side but the fun my kids and I have when we bring this to the range is priceless. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. Seems like whenever Ive had the funds, none have been available, and when Im broke, there everywhere. It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. So far I've shot 19.0, 20.0, and 21.0 of H110 using Remington 7-1/2 primers and a 180 XTP. by AJMD429 Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:32 pm, Post Build a Ruger#1. Or, take advantage of facory .350 Legend ammo. The .357 magnum has never been irrelevant since it made its debut 80 + years ago. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-henry-big-boy-44-magnum/. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. The revolvers that were built in this caliber are rare, and consistently go for a premium over other Ruger Blackhawks. You might find a few boxes at the Tulsa world gun show. The .357 Remington Maximum was conceived primarily as an ultra-velocity, flat-trajectory silhouette cartridge. 44 Mag is much more forgiving. Worried about scratching that brass? Thus sighted, 125 grain +p 38 special is spot on out to about 50 yards, maybe furtherbut havent tried it. No such thing as a perfect caliber, but .357 magnum and its sister the .357sig is about as close as one can get. We ballistics types all know sad stories about cartridges that showed great potential but failed shortly after leaving the launch pad. So there are several options available that are much less expensive than the fine examples listed in the article. Those Remlins had some serious issues, and are the least desirable models of all Marlin 94s. Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. The Lil Gun and AA1680 are max loads from my searching tho I've seen several claim you can't get enough AA1680 in the case to overload it. That all depends on the powder youre burning. It was a long-range shooting sport in which the targets were the silhouettes of game animals cut from steel plate and placed in banks of five at 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. Ill just be here waiting on .357 lever guns to be relevant. But I just couldnt ever wrap my brain around spending enough on a lever action to buy two or three semi-auto rifles.
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